Why did Robben and Ribery not transform and play in the middle like Messi and Ronaldo?
4:01pm, 5 September 2025Football
The transformation of football players is actually a very complicated thing, not as simple as seen on the surface. Whether it is Messi, Ronaldo, Pirlo, Van Persie, and others, their career experience transformation has their own special reasons. After considering the team and personal characteristics, the decisions made through comprehensive decisions.
For example, when Messi's "pseudo-9" transformation was transformed, Guardiola suddenly had a whim and wanted him to play in the middle.
A reporter asked Guardiola why he asked Messi to play the pseudo-No. 9 and stand in the middle lane? Guardiola spoke his point of view very frankly. He said that Barcelona's offensive space would be very unfavorable back then. When encountering teams such as Real Madrid with high-level pressing and extremely strong oppression, they often cannot open up the space, and often have bottlenecks that are stagnant in offense and difficult to break through.
When encountering intensive defense, the team also lacks the depth of the frontcourt and often falls under the opponent's encirclement and cannot find a breakthrough.
In order to improve this problem, Guardiola needs a player who can open up space, hold the ball, or bring out the opponent's defensive players. At this time, Messi's playing at the pseudo-9 of the middle lane just gave the team a chance to perform.
When Messi gets the ball in the middle, if he can retreat, he will come out to control the ball, and then Etoo and others wait for an opportunity to move, he can get more sufficient opportunities.
Watching the video repeatedly and having new ideas, Guardiola also went to talk to Messi specifically, and the two of them conducted in-depth discussions on the tactical configuration of the pseudo-9.
After communication, Messi understood Guardiola's intentions and began to try such a way of playing.
In 2009, Guardiola communicated this topic with Messi for the first time and made progress. Ibrahimovic's transfer failure later further strengthened Guardiola's idea of letting Messi continue to serve as the pseudo-9, and tried his best to allow Messi to adapt in this position, guiding Villa, Pedro and others to cooperate with Messi to play.
Around 2012, after more than two years of running-in, Messi gradually became familiar with this routine, achieved great success in the middle of the transformation, and set many records, naturally scoring 91 goals a year.
In this case, the success of transformation is inseparable from Guardiola's careful guidance. Messi's mentality changes and is willing to obey the team and change his playing style. If there is a missing link in the middle, there is a very likely problem with the transformation.
Royce's words are almost the same. He later transformed from the wing lane to the middle lane, which was also due to Ferguson's guidance at the beginning. In the later stages of Manchester United, a year before the transfer, Ferguson intended to let Ronaldo lean into the middle and wanted to become the team's scorer.
When Real Madrid, Mourinho and others came to train Ronaldo, it also strengthened his transformation mentality.
Mourinho once told him that it is better for you to come to the middle than the wing. Scoring more goals in the middle can not only help the team, but also have good data, and both individuals and teams will benefit.
After two or three years of adjustment, Ronaldo has gradually evolved into an all-round forward player, a core player who can play on both the wing and the middle, which has also allowed him to achieve a breakthrough in personal honor.
Speaking of this, many people also have a question, namely Ribery and Robben, why don’t they transform? After years of career, they have been active on the wing, and from young to old age, it is rare to see them have different ways of playing.
If you transform into a scorer, will you achieve greater achievements like Messi and Ronaldo?
I will be negative about this issue and do not agree with Ribery and Robben's insistence on transforming. There is a reason why they don’t turn around. The results caused by multiple factors have nothing to do with their ability itself.
One is not physically qualified to transform. Compared with Messi and Ronaldo, Ribery and Robben are very easy to get injured, especially Robben.
At a young age, Robben has the nickname of "Glass Man". He suffered injuries many times when playing football at Chelsea and Real Madrid, and his condition was getting better and worse.
If it weren't for his poor health, he wouldn't have been sold by the team in the early stage. Many teams would not believe that Ronaldinho can play in good health and intactly.
When I transferred to Bayern, Robben also came out of the Glass Man's physique, gradually moving from the characteristics of a dribbling breakthrough to the incisive style, using his signature incisive goal to open the situation.
Having said that, there is a detail that needs to be paid attention to. When Robben played the right winger, in addition to being able to cut inside and open up space by the reverse foot winger, he actually had a purpose of preventing injuries.
Originally, Robben liked to break through and often rushed into the crowd, and was easily injured. When he came to the right, he added some incisive and supportive kicking methods, and tried to lean towards the center line, which made him less likely to be injured.
This will also be a reason.
Ribery's side, he is also a little glass-like and is injured very frequently.
Frequent injuries are not conducive to player transformation. Transformation requires a long period of time to get used to it. If you can't keep up with the team's pace and if there are problems with the running-in, the transformation effect will be poor.
Considering the physical conditions of Robben and Ribery, it is reasonable for them not to transform.
There is another problem with the mentality of playing style. Robben and Ribery do not have as much desire to score goals as Ronaldo and Messi, but they are still a winger-like routine in their bones. Although Robben Ribery scored a lot of goals and the highlights looked more aggressive, if you look closely at the 90-minute game, you will find that their support and passing are also quite frequent.
likes to pass and penetrate, pass and cut, and cooperate with teammates. They are also used to playing styles, and they agree with this model in their hearts.
Since I don’t want to transform in my mentality and prefer the wing-style playing style, there is no need to force the transformation..
Bayern originally had a tradition of high center forwards. Klose, Gomez, Mandzukic, the team will definitely be equipped with a traditional center forward routine under the 4231 system. If Robben Ribery has to transform, it will cause chaos in the team system. The coaches' tactical system does not mean that they have to transform into the middle. On the wing, they will have greater threats and can better help the team.
Since Bayern likes this, Robben Ribery's way of playing on the wing is enough, and he can still succeed in the team and win league, Champions League and other championships.
Therefore, transformation is the result of consideration under comprehensive factors, and it is related to the player's physical condition, playing football mentality, and coaching tactical arrangements. It does not mean that the player can turn just by wanting to turn.
No matter what, although Robben Ribery did not completely transform into the middle lane in the later stage, it did not conceal their ability as a world-class star. I believe the time is right, and the coach is willing to train them, and they can also succeed in the middle lane.
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